Clark Pinnock, Greg Boyd, and Open Theism

Americans love to say: “God has a plan. It is what God planned. God has it all figured out.”

Is this the case? Are we simply just playing out what’s already been decided? Or is there some openness, some freedom to what these PLANS are?

In light of the recent announcement that Clark Pinnock is suffering the middle (and developing) stages of Alzheimer’s (read here) and the fact I just read Clark Pinnocks Flame of Love, I wanted to start to flesh out some of my developing thoughts in regards to Open Theism.

For some time, my theological underpinnings have been leaning towards this view. Essentially, Open Theism allows the belief that the future is partly open and not exhaustively settled.

“Open Theism refers to the belief that God created a world in which possibilities are real.It contrasts with Classical Theism which holds that all the facts of world history are eternally settled, either by God willing them so (as in Calvinism) or simply in God’s knowledge (as in Arminianism). Open Theists believe God created humans and angels with free will and that these agents are empowered to have “say so” in what comes to pass. In Open Theism, therefore, what people decide to do genuinely affects God and affects what comes to pass. In particular, by God’s own sovereign design, things really hang on whether or not God’s people pray.” (Greg Boyd).

Theology, for most, is one of those things that develops by virtue of what someone else tells you to believe or what you grew up with. Of course, in an ever-increasing post-modern world where truth is more and more subjective to personal experience, for most, theology just develops based on what your church tells you, what book you recently read, or what you grew up with.

However, for us theology nerds, theology is essential to Christian leaders in order to provide a roadmap for the experiences (both past, present and future) of the people they lead.

Why do I make this point? Because theology isn’t usually important enough for people to truly wrestle with (even though it should be). I believe the mind must be thoroughly convinced for the heart to be thoroughly transformed. Often times, theology is a matter of arguing what position each team member is going to play on the same team and the same field. Further, one changes positions several times during the game, but usually remains on the same field and the same team (although it’s true some people quit or change teams).

In the case of Open Theism versus The Classical View of Divine Foreknowledge, it is my utmost belief that each proponent of either side is playing ON THE SAME TEAM.

Moving on…

Open Theism, at least for me, is a work in progress. I am coming to understand what has been stirring inside of me for some time.

Why do I fall in line with Open Theism?

* It places more significance on our prayer life. If the future is at least partly open, it impassions my prayer life to actually play a role in helping determine the future.

* It makes sense in regards to evil. I can come to grips with why God created Hitler. If God already knew Hitler was going to murder 6 million Jews, why would have he created him? UNLESS ~ He didn’t know exactly what the free creature of Hitler was going to choose.

* It isn’t PROCESS THEOLOGY. Process theology, which sometimes gets wrongly correlated with Open Theism, holds to the belief that God can’t foreknow anything because everything is in process. I don’t believe this. Scripture appears to maintain several instances where God KNEW ahead of time something was going to happen, and other times, he appears to be testing, thinking, or changing His mind. Ultimately, God is powerful and sovereign enough to know when and when not to foreknow the exact outcome of something.

* The Heart of It All. I mention Greg Boyd because he is, without question, one of my favorite leaders in the Christian world today. After reading Clark Pinnock, I would say the same about him. They both possess genuine hearts for Jesus (not saying others don’t — except Reformed guys — they are usually just mean…Lol 🙂

In no way do I want to present a biblical exegesis of reasons why I believe in Open Theism (You can read a book for that). Further, I believe it would be like arguing who should play what position and all the while the coach yelling, “You are ALL ON THE SAME TEAM!!”

Instead, I wanted to begin to flesh out some thoughts in my mind and stir some thoughts in yours and start to really ask the question, “Is this exactly as God planned?”

Maybe that question (and the answer that follows) has done more damage than good?

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7 thoughts on “Clark Pinnock, Greg Boyd, and Open Theism

  1. Hi: I was wondering if you would answer a question. Did God know that Adam and Eve would sin before He created them? If not, then how is it that the plan of salvation was before the foundation of the world. Thanx ahead of time for the answer. Bob

  2. Hey Bob:

    I can’t say I know for sure, but I asked a friend to help me clarify the answer to this question. IT is a difficult one, no question…

    Here are some brief thoughts.

    I would say, first and foremost, to look at the handling of Judas in Scripture to get an idea of God’s foreknowledge of sin….that is, Judas was specifically part of God’s plan to save humanity, and yet he was not held up as a hero for this. On the contrary, Jesus, in full knowledge of both the Cross and Judas’s heart, says “But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table, The Son of Man will go as it is decreed, but woe to that man who betrays him.” (Luke 22:22) This implies both divine foreknowledge of sin, and complete guilt on the part of the perpetrator of said sin.

    I think the easiest way to explain it without getting super deep into theological speculations is to appeal to our sense of the fantastic. If God is outside of time, and His ways are truly not our ways, then why are we limiting Him to human problems like guilt, foreknowledge, and just plain “meanness”?

    I hold to the fact that God created beings with full knowledge that they would rebel against Him. His love, however, was so great, that He gave life where life was not deserved, and even in the midst of their rebellion and appeals for godhood, He had mercy on them.

    Think of it…what’s more mean-spirited? To never give life, or to give life? The mere fact that people are able to enjoy years and years of fallen existence without so much as a thought about Him, taking in His creation and loving every second, is a testament to His goodness. You’d have to ask this question of a parent who has had trouble with their kids: “If you knew that your children would have these troubles, would you have had an abortion?” I think the resounding answer would be “NO”. Because being made in His image means we “scrub floors” and “hold hands”. That is, we do pragmatic, reasonable, sound, necessary duties and also do feelings-based, loving, this-doesn’t-make-any-sense-in-light-of-our-perception-of-reality acts of emotion and passion.

    That was all written by my buddy Luke. Thanks for asking!

    Hope that helps some. I can tell you it is a difficult question to wrestle with!

  3. Hi! Thanx for the reply. However, I feel that becoming pregnant and then contemplating abortion is criminal, it is not the same as God creating us knowing that we are going to sin and rebel against Him. I have always believed this, being a Calvinist, but with a closer look at Scripture, this seems counterproductive. Does God create people whom, by reason of His prescience, knows are going to hell? I find that very difficult to square with the God of the Bible. Bob

  4. Bob,

    We are discussing timeless arguments. These arguments have waged for hundreds of years. Augustine believed we are born “with a stain.” Pelagius believed we are born “with a blank slate.”

    The issue we are now delving into, however, is more along the lines of predestination. Would God create people He knows are doomed? Hmm…That’s the million dollar question. I tend to hold the party line of Martin Luther who basically concluded it’s a mystery, not to be touched, and that arguments over predestination are from the Devil!

    Why? Because it just IS a mystery.

    Personally, I ultimately believe we are all born sin and somehow mysteriously by the Grace of God we are called out of the unrepentant sin and called home ~ not by our own doing, but by God’s sovereign, mysterious strength. Does he know beforehand who is going to hell? Hmm…I just don’t know! Nor do I think anyone can know FOR SURE! As CS Lewis says about hell, hell is just the place where people get on the bus to where they are already heading. They wouldn’t want to be in heaven!

    Anyways, hope that helps! Difficult to square, I know!

    Peace,

    John

  5. Hi John: Thanx again, for your reply. I believe certain things are beyond our comprehension, but what IS put in the Bible is FOR our comprehension. Obviously, people in the first century knew what Paul was saying, and meant, by ‘predestination’ and therefore, we should as well. The word is used in a number of places and the doctrine seems sound, but it does not square with other verses. This has been going on ad infinitum, I know, but surely there are some answers out there that we have not researched. I am doing a research for the meaning of ‘foundation of the world’. In some places in Scripture, it means before the physical universe, whereas, in other places, it means the Jewish world. What are your thoughts on this? Bob

  6. Hey Bob:

    I can’t say I’ve ever researched what was meant by the phrase “foundation of the world.”

    I do believe, as mentioned in the post, some some things are “open” to change. Not so much that God doesn’t know, but that God hasn’t exactly set the course. I know this theology is looked down upon in some circles, but this is how I “square” it up. I believe in God who is totally omniscient and omnipresent, but I believe we have a “say so” ~ not in earning, not in eternity, but just to alter, to adjust the course of history. This is our free will.

    In regards to your “foundation of the world,” please feel free to share what you find out!

    I can say, the other author of this blog John Sharpe, might be able to add in. He is an expert on Judaism.

    I enjoy our discussion!

    Peace,

    John

  7. FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD—ATO KABALOEES KOSMOU
    By Bob Stokes

    There must be harmony with all scripture to validate Truth. The Scriptures cannot contradict themselves.

    NOTE: This article should be read in conjunction with another article called “Omniscience”. I believe that God’s Omniscience is in direct correlation with His creation. In other words, God knows the future because He creates it as we go along.

    Questions: If the words ‘before the foundation of the world’ mean before the physical universe was created, it means that God knew things that were going to happen even before He created them. In other words, He must have known that Adam and Eve were going to sin. Am I correct? Do you agree? If not, why not?

    To me, there are only 2 conclusions to follow from this:

    1) God knew (somehow) before any events happened, that they were going to happen. Correct? In this conclusion, I have some problems. If God knew what was to happen (for certain) then it had to happen. Right? If not, then give me another conclusion. If this conclusion is correct, then that means He knew the commandments that He gave Adam and Eve, etc. were not going to be obeyed.

    Question: If God knows all things from past, present and future, is it correct to conclude that God created people knowing that they were going to sin? Is it correct to conclude that God creates people knowing they are going to hell? Does God know WHO is going to hell, before He creates them?

    I have a problem with God creating someone, whom He already knows will sin, and then telling them not to. IF this is in the Bible, I will believe it, no matter how difficult it is to do so. However, I cannot find this in the Bible. This does not square with what I see, in God, throughout Scripture. THAT does not make my conclusion correct, but it makes me challenge this view.

    Perhaps the second conclusion will be more Biblical.

    2) The term ‘before the foundation of the world’ may have another meaning than the beginning of the physical universe. That way, God does not know that Adam and Eve were going to sin, before He created them, but, rather created another ‘world’ after knowing about their sin.

    Therefore, God would first create the physical world, and sometime later, the ‘other’ world. Please stay with me and follow the verses below to see if this is a possibility. I am trying to bring the Scriptures together without contradiction.

    Questions: Is it possible that the term ‘foundation of the world’ could mean something OTHER than the creation of the physical world-a foundation of something else that FOLLOWED the physical creation? Could the creation of the ‘Jewish world’ be a reality to which this phrase could refer? Is it possible that God did NOT know that Adam and Eve were going to sin before He created the physical world (including them) but did know about their sin before the creation of the Jewish world, because it had already happened by then?

    Question: If the plan of redemption was established before the creation of the physical world, then God must have known that Adam and Eve were going to sin, even before He created them. Correct? If that is the case, then did Adam and Eve have the option not to sin? If God knows that something is certain to happen, is there any possibility of that something NOT happening? Just some questions to think about!

    Question: What does the term ‘foundation of the world’ mean?

    Matt 13:35
    That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world-kosmos.
    (KJV)

    Matt 25:34
    Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world-kosmos:
    (KJV)

    Luke 11:50
    That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world-kosmos, may be required of this generation;
    (KJV)

    Heb 4:3
    For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world-kosmos.
    (KJV)

    Heb 9:26
    For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world-kosmos: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
    (KJV)

    Rev 13:8
    And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world-kosmos.
    (KJV)

    Rev 17:8
    The beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world-kosmos, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
    (KJV)

    John 17:24
    Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou loved me before the foundation of the world-kosmos.
    (KJV)

    Eph 1:4
    According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world-kosmos, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
    (KJV)

    1 Peter 1:20
    Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world-kosmos, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    Question: What ‘world’ is here being spoken of? The physical or the Jewish?

    The Gk. Word is kosmos-2889:

    1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
    2) ornament, decoration, adornment, that is, the arrangement of the stars, `the heavenly hosts’, as the ornament of the heavens.

    3) the world, the universe
    4) the circle of the earth, the earth
    5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race
    6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
    7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly
    the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc., which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
    8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
    a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)
    a) used of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19

    There are at least 8 definitions of the word ‘world’, as you can see above.
    Questions: Could the word ‘world’ be translated as the “Jewish world”? Is there something known as the Jewish world?
    Adam Clarke, the commentator seems to believe so, as he so states, in the following regarding this interpretation:

    [According as he hath chosen us in him] As he has decreed from the beginning of the world, and has kept in view from the commencement of the religious system of the Jews (which the phrase sometimes means), to bring us Gentiles to the knowledge of this glorious state of salvation by Christ Jesus.
    (Source: Adam Clarke Commentary)

    [Before the foundation of the world] Before the law was given, or any sacrifice prescribed by it. Its whole sacrificial system was appointed in reference to this foreappointed Lamb, and consequently from him derived all its significance and virtue. The phrase katabolees (grk 2602) kosmou (grk 2889), foundation of the world, occurs often in the New Testament, and is supposed by some learned men and good critics to signify the commencement of the Jewish state. Perhaps it may have this meaning in ; and .
    (Source: Adam Clarke Commentary)

    Ephesians 1:4 And the apostle marks that all this was foredetermined by God, as he had foredetermined the bounds and precincts of the land which he gave them according to the promise made to their fathers; that the Jews had no reason to complain, for God had formed this purpose before he had given the law, or called them out of Egypt; (for it was before the foundation of the world, and that, therefore, the conduct of God in calling the Gentiles now– bringing them into his church, and conferring on…
    (Source: Adam Clarke Commentary)

    Clarke seems to be saying that the ‘foundation of the world’ could mean the beginning of the Jewish (Mosaic) economy or Jewish world!

    Questions: Is it possible? Is it true? Is it truly Biblical?

    Let us examine some verses from that perspective:

    John 1:9
    The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
    (NIV)
    Jesus came into the Jewish world.

    John 1:10
    He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
    (NIV)
    The only world that did not recognize Him was the Jewish world, as He was never outside of Israel.

    John 6:14
    Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said: this is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
    (KJV)
    Again, into the Jewish world

    John 8:26
    I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
    (KJV)
    The only world that Jesus spoke to was the Jewish world

    John 9:5
    As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
    (KJV)
    The Jewish world

    John 12:19
    The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
    (KJV)
    The only world that could have gone after Him was the Jewish world (Israel)

    John 14:19
    Yet a little while, and the world sees me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
    (KJV)
    The only world that saw Jesus was the Jewish world

    John 15:18-19
    If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
    If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
    (KJV)
    The only world that hated Jesus was the Jewish world

    John 16:20
    I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy.
    (NIV)
    What world rejoiced to see Jesus die? Basically, outside of Israel, no one knew Him, let alone rejoiced. Only the Jewish world

    John 17:6
    I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gave me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gave them me; and they have kept thy word.
    (KJV)
    The men that God gave to Jesus (the disciples were all Jews) were out of the Jewish world

    John 17:14
    I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.
    (NIV)
    The world that hated Jesus, and His disciples, could only be the Jewish world, as He, and the disciples, only ministered there.

    Notice to whom Jesus sent His disciples:
    Matt 10:5-6
    These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
    But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    (KJV)

    John 17:18
    As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
    (KJV)
    Jesus sent them to the towns of Israel-the Jewish world (Matt: 10)

    John 18:20
    “I have spoken openly to the world,” Jesus replied. “I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret.”
    (NIV)
    Jesus here declares where He taught-in the synagogues or temple, where all the Jews come together—Israel. He says He spoke openly to the world. What world? Jesus never ministered to the entire planet of people, but only to the Jewish world!

    Rom 1:8
    First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
    (KJV)
    When a bible writer wants to show that something is beyond the Jewish world, they use the term ‘whole world’

    Rom 1:20-23
    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
    And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
    (KJV)
    This was speaking of the Jewish world, as they were the only people who ‘knew God’. Please notice the next verse:

    Amos 3:2
    You only (Jews) have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
    (KJV)

    1 Cor 7:31
    …those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.
    (NIV)

    The planet was not passing away, particularly in the first century. However; the old Jewish world was passing away as we are told in Heb 8:13
    By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete (the old Jewish Covenant world) and aging will soon disappear.
    (NIV)

    Col 2:8
    Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
    (KJV)
    To see the meaning of the word ‘rudiments’ please read the following verses. (Gal 4:3 and 9, Col 2:8 and 20, Heb. 5:12, 2Peter 3:10 and 12)
    In them, you will see that the word ‘rudiments’ (Strong’s #4747) applies to the rudimentary teachings of the Old Covenant Israel (Jewish world)

    Heb 11:32-38
    And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel and the prophets,
    They were stoned; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated–
    the world was not worthy of them.
    (NIV)
    These members of the ‘Hall of Faith’ were all Jews who ministered only to the old Jewish world. The Bible says that the old Jewish world was not worthy of them.

    I Jn 3:1
    Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knows us not, because it knew him not.
    (KJV)
    Questions: Who, but the Jewish world could this be speaking of? At this time of writing, what world had rejected Jesus and His teachings?

    Questions: With the above definition of the word ‘world’, can we infer that the meaning is ‘Jewish world’- at least in these verses? How could it be anything else? If these verses mean the Jewish world, is it possible that the ‘foundation of the world’ could be the ‘foundation of the Jewish world’?

    If so, then the foundation of the Jewish world was formed years after the foundation of the physical world, then we can understand how the Bible could speak of the ‘kingdom’ ‘chosen in Christ’ ‘foreordained’ ‘book of life’ ALL from the foundation of the of the Jewish world. This would mean that all of these things were conceived of AFTER the fall, when God knew about the sin of our parents.

    IF these things and events were BEFORE the foundation of the physical world, before Adam and Eve sinned, then God knew ahead of the fact that they would sin.

    Question: What about Abel?

    Luke 11:49-51
    Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send unto them (Jews) prophets and apostles; and (some) of them they shall kill and persecute;
    that the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
    from the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zachariah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary: yea, I say unto you, it shall be required of this generation.
    (ASV)
    Abel ( Gen 4:10) and Zacharias ( 2 Chron 24:19-22) are mentioned in the shedding of the blood of the prophets. The argument is put that with Abel being mentioned, the foundation of the world must be the foundation of the Genesis heaven and earth. However, Jesus has just made the point that it was the Jewish fathers that killed the prophets ( Lk 11:47-48), and it is certain that Cain, who killed Abel, is not one of the Jewish fathers. Further, where else in the Bible does it suggest that Abel was ever a prophet? All the prophets that were killed, were all killed in Jerusalem by the Jews. As Jesus, Himself, says:
    Luke 13:33-34
    In any case, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day– for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!
    O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
    (NIV)
    Acts 3:21
    Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world-age began.
    (KJV)
    Questions: According to the preceding verse, when did God’s prophets begin their ministry? Who were the prophets before Israel existed? The first time the word ‘prophet’ is mentioned, it is in reference to Abraham.
    This difficulty gives rise to the suggestion that Jesus’ remark is possibly a literary figure of speech, rather than an historical observation. These two are chosen because they are the first and last martyrs in the Jewish O.T., (the Jewish O.T. ended with 2 Chronicles).
    Therefore the expression ‘from the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias’ could be a figure of speech referring to the O.T. Scriptures, rather than the historical events of their killings. This Jewish perspective identifies ‘the world’ as the Jewish nation, rather than the physical heavens and earth. Moses brought together the records of the patriarchs and with the other books, the Law of Moses was laid down in what we know as the Pentateuch. This Law was the ‘foundation’ of the nation of Israel, comprising the covenant with God at Sinai, and his requirements for the nation.

    Questions: IF Abel was a prophet, then to whom did he prophesy? Was he killed by the Jews? Did he die in Jerusalem? The prophets started with Abraham (Jewish world) and were only Jewish, prophesying to, the Jews, were they not?

    Hebrews contrasts the Law of Moses and its sacrifices with the sacrifice and priesthood of Christ. Jesus was a priest after the order of Melchizedek and not after the Levitical order ( Heb 7:11). Salvation was not possible through the Levitical priesthood, which offered sacrifices for sins on a daily basis ( Heb 7:27). The blood of bulls and goats could not take away sins ( Heb 10:4). So a better sacrifice was necessary. This sacrifice was not presented by Christ in an earthly tabernacle, but in a heavenly temple ( Heb 9:24). Neither was this sacrifice offered repeatedly every year as on the Mosaic Day of Atonement ( Heb 9:25). Had this been required,
    “…then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.” Heb 9:26-27

    In the above verse (Heb 9:26-27) it speaks of Jesus having to “suffer since the foundation of the world, BUT NOW in the end of the world…”

    Question: Do you notice the comparison? ‘Foundation of the world’ compared to the ‘End of the world’? If Jesus came at the end of the world, which was the ‘Jewish world’ (destroyed in 70AD) then the opposite of that would be the beginning, or foundation, of the world when the Jewish world was formed. Correct?

    There are 2 words in this verse that speak of the ‘world’. They are ‘kosmos’(world) and ‘aion’(age). Kosmos is usually translated as world and aion as age.

    Often, the word (aion) has been interpreted (particularly in the King James Version) into the English word ‘world’ but really should be translated as ‘age’ because that is what it means. Usually, in the New Testament, this word means the Jewish age (world) that was to end shortly. The entire ‘world’ was not to end but the Jewish world was about to. It happened in 70AD, when the Jewish ‘age’or ‘world’ ended, with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Old Testament Jewish Theocracy.

    Here are the verses that contain the word ‘aion’ which is translated as ‘world’ but really mean ‘age’:
    The Gk. Word for the verses below is ‘aion’

    165 aion-

    1) forever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity
    2) the worlds, the universe
    3) a period of time, an age

    Luke 1:70
    As he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
    (KJV)
    The prophets of God were Jewish and must have been since the creation of the Jewish world. Who were the prophets before the Jewish nation existed?

    1 Cor 2:7
    But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
    (KJV)

    Heb 9:26
    For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
    (KJV)

    Acts 3:21
    Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world-age began.
    (KJV)

    1 Cor 2:8
    Which none of the princes of this world-age knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
    (KJV)
    This world could only be the Jewish world, as they were the ones who crucified the Lord.

    Eph 3:9
    And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world-age hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
    (KJV)

    Heb 9:26
    For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world-kosmos but now once in the end of the world-aion hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
    (KJV)

    Heb 11:3
    Through faith we understand that the worlds-ages were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
    (KJV)

    The ‘last days’ were back in the 1st century when the Jewish world (age) was about to be destroyed. To some, this will seem strange and unorthodox, but it is Biblical, nevertheless. Some maintain that the ‘last days’ are 2100 years long, and counting. Strange is it not, that if that were the case, the ‘last days’ would be longer than the ‘first and middle days’— longer than the entire existence of OT Israel, itself!

    The days that the Lord and His disciples, along with the early church, lived in were the LAST DAYS OF JUDAISM!

    I believe that a good case has been made that the term ‘foundation of the world’ can mean the ‘foundation of the Jewish world’ and that God chose us ‘in Christ’ after the physical world was created, but before the Jewish world was created.

    In this way, we see that God did NOT create a world in which He put Adam and Eve, knowing they would sin and plunge all humanity into sin and death, but put them in the world with the idea that they would live forever.

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